Like previous games I've done, like Atom Zombie Smasher and Flotilla, what I - what I like to do is I like to use the conventions that big games or more standardized games use. Um, you know, most games have a - generally do the traditional controls game, so I try to not stray too far from that. Um, I don't - I want - I do consider myself as making niche games, but I do want to make the games appeal to as much of that niche as I possibly can. I feel like there's no need to, you know, appeal to a niche of a niche of a niche. Um, so, for Thirty Flights of Loving, uh, it is - it uses kind of film language to, uh, play with cuts and play with time and play with, you know, chronology. Um, but that is all stuff that players or human beings just kind of know. Um, people just watch so much movies that they kind of gained this knowledge of this language without even being aware of it, you know. The filmmaker shoots a scene in a certain way. The player just feels a certain - or the, the viewer just feels a certain way because the director wanted him to feel, you know, nervous or scared or happy. And, um, you know, when I tried to make Thirty Flights, I tried to play with those conventions in such a way that the players kind of - uh, kind of utilize, utilize the - this knowledge that people have of film and TV, um, without them even knowing it.
