We still read books about characters who we don't want to be because we want to understand them, right? And playing a game is just another way of understanding the thing. In fact in my opinion it's best way of understanding the thing uh and the experience being depicted, if you want. and I think people have a deep, deep desire to understand you know their world through entertainment and different kinds of entertainment media and I think that will- once we- once we become more culturally secure in the idea that playing a sort of miserable wretched uh serial murderer or something is actually something we can do to understand it the same way we can read a book about a wretched miserable serial murderer to understand it better I think we'll start to see a real renaissance of the kinds of games that we'll have available to us.