I don’t define game play. I actually, uh, I struggle with the sort of game semantic, uh, movement. I think it’s awesome and I’m, uh, friends with some of the people who are very interested in it and, uh, I’m curious about it and sometimes I would like to be, uh, have the time and maybe one day I will become an academic and I can get leather arm pat, uh, elbow patches and, uh, more tweedy suits and so on. But, um, I -- I personally find that whenever I try to, uh, work in these areas, have discussions around what is a game and what’s fun and so on, um, I find it unsatisfying. Uh, I -- I think the, you know, the answer for me is something very intuitive and, uh, really again goes back to this idea that there’s a system of things that you can, uh, play with, um, so I think of it less in terms of a series of interesting choices -- although that’s what the system allows -- and more to do with what the framework is that allows those choices to happen. Um, and I think of fun and the kind of learning and so on as the sort of next layer of emergence on top of that system. Um, but I would be very cautious about trying to theorize too much about like what is fun, and what is a game, and -- and so on. Particularly when as a developer you, uh, you encounter times in the industry where things change, new platforms emerge, and you’re quite frankly surprised by what’s supremely successful and people are clearly enjoying and having a lot of fun with it. And you think, well, I don’t think this is really fun. But, clearly it is because 15 million people are playing every day and -- and that’s great. So, that’s the sort of thing that makes me very broad minded, um, about, uh, about what’s fun.
